From news.primenet.com!jmcadams Sat Sep 6 22:33:55 1997 Path: news.primenet.com!jmcadams From: John McAdams Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Subject: Re: Problems with the physical evidence #3 Date: 6 Sep 1997 15:32:00 -0700 Organization: PrimeNet Lines: 54 Message-ID: <5usll0$i9j@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <340B1304.401E@tfb.com> <5ufvhb$m3s@snews3.zippo.com> <340C1A08.60DC@tfb.com> <5uq7fo$mee@nntp02.primenet.com> <3410A477.7596@tfb.com> <3410BE4C.1A97@vms.csd.mu.edu> <3410C049.5203@tfb.com> X-Posted-By: jmcadams@206.165.6.206 (jmcadams) Tracy Riddle wrote: : John McAdams wrote: : > : > : > Officers do not have to say "yes, I see my mark right here." : > : > Rather, if Officer A says "I found some bullets and gave to to Officer B," : > and Officer B says "yes, Officer A gave me some bullets and I gave them to : > Officer C," and Officer C appears in court and says "these are the bullets I : > got from Officer B," then the chain of custody is established. : But do we even have that much? Look at the chain of possession problem I : posted for CE 399. OK, let's start with where it ended up (Frazier and the FBI) and work backwards. Frazier testified about how he got the bullet from Elmer Todd (3H428). Both Todd and Frazier had marked their initials on the bullet (CE 2011). Todd had gotten the bullet from James Rowley, of the Secret Service. Rowley had gotten it from an agent, Richard Johnsen. Johnsen filed a report about getting the bullet (18H798-799), and forwarded a note along with the bullet (18H800). The note said, in part, " . . . the attached expended bullet was received by me about 5 minutes prior to Mrs. Kennedy's departure from the hospital." The note further named the "person from whom I received this bullet" as O.P. Wright. I can't find any WC testimony from O.P. Wright, although CE 2011 records that he passed the bullet along. And then, we have Tomlinson's WC testimony that he gave the bullet to Wright, and Johnsen's written statements that he got the bullet from Wright. Further, Thompson interviewed Wright in 1966. He managed to get Wright to say that CE 399 didn't look like the bullet that he had handled, but he never for an instant denied getting the bullet from Tomlinson and giving it to Johnsen. SSID, p. 175. Translation: CE 399 would have been perfectly admissible. At most, the Oswald prosecution would have had to call some of these guys to the stand. Of course, this "admissibility" business is a red herring anyway. Evidence can be admissible, and forged, or inadmissible and absolutely dispositive where *historical* judgments are concerned. .John From: jgrant3919@aol.com (JGrant3919) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk Subject: Re: Problems with the physical evidence #3 Date: 7 Sep 1997 01:07:13 GMT Lines: 32 Message-ID: <19970907010700.VAA24237@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <5usll0$i9j@nntp02.primenet.com> SnewsLanguage: English John McAdams wrote: >The note further named the "person from whom I received this bullet" as >O.P. Wright. >I can't find any WC testimony from O.P. Wright, although CE 2011 records >that he passed the bullet along. And then, we have Tomlinson's WC >testimony that he gave the bullet to Wright, and Johnsen's written >statements that he got the bullet from Wright. In case anyone is interested, here's what the FBI said, in CE2011 (24H412) about Wright and the bullet: "On June 12, 1964, O.P. Wright, Personnel Officer, Parkland Hospital, Dallas, Texas, advised Special Agent Bardwell D. Odum that Exhibit C1, a rifle slug, shown to him at the time of the interview, looks like the slug found at Parkland Hospital on November 22, 1963, which he gave to Richard Johnsen, Special Agent of the Secret Service. He stated he was not present at the time the bullet was found, but on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, as he entered the Emergency Unit on the ground floor of the hospital, Mr. Tomlinson, an employee, called to him and pointed out a bullet, which was on a hospital carriage at that location. He estimated the time as being within an hour of the time President Kennedy and Governor Connally were brought to the hospital. He advised he could not postiviely identify C1 as being the same bullet which was found on November 22, 1963." Joel Grant